tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6955843581849132610.post571869524158126832..comments2023-09-30T04:07:41.831-07:00Comments on The Boxer Underground Blog: AN OPEN LETTER TO ABC MEMBERS & ABC MEMBER CLUBSVirginia Zurfliehhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02111069072476240750noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6955843581849132610.post-17354130195096038432014-04-14T12:06:20.694-07:002014-04-14T12:06:20.694-07:00Well, of course, you're entitled to your own o...Well, of course, you're entitled to your own opinion, too. :) I do wonder, though, what you would have the Board do differently?Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01698514186799299219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6955843581849132610.post-59304752949943852822014-04-14T09:44:09.395-07:002014-04-14T09:44:09.395-07:00Jen,
You are entitled to your own opinion. I stron...Jen,<br />You are entitled to your own opinion. I strongly disagree that the ABC treated all parties to this dispute fairly or equitably. That is my opinion. Neither of us has seen all the evidence.<br />VZVirginia Zurfliehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02111069072476240750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6955843581849132610.post-73146344442646555142014-04-14T07:58:56.896-07:002014-04-14T07:58:56.896-07:00The Board has as much right to remove items from e...The Board has as much right to remove items from executive session as they do to consider items in executive session. There is no violation.<br /><br />I am not casting a vote until I hear what the defendants have to say at the meeting. It is entirely due to my logical and fair nature, however, that I cannot fault the ABC or the system for the defendants' decision to not present their evidence. They had every opportunity for a truly fair hearing, and chose not to take advantage of it. If they feel, later, that they have not gotten a fair 'trial', they have no one to blame but themselves. <br /><br />The ABC Board has handled this situation impeccably and completely within the guidelines of the Bylaws. They could not have done anything differently. They, in fact, had no obligation to share *any* of the evidence with the membership, but in acknowledgement of the seriousness of the charges and the highly emotional nature of the situation, allowed both sides to present their case to the membership well ahead of the vote. <br /><br />You know well that I am not one to blindly rah-rah the Board, and I am more often at odds with them than not. In this situation, however, I have not one complaint. They cannot compel the defendants to make their evidence public, and they cannot in good conscience (or probably legally) publish the evidence without the permission of the defendants. <br /><br />What more would you have them do? Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01698514186799299219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6955843581849132610.post-196406805804702932014-04-14T07:46:18.547-07:002014-04-14T07:46:18.547-07:00As you know, Jen, the board hearing was held in &q...As you know, Jen, the board hearing was held in "executive session," a confidential hearing that the ABC said would remain confidential "to protect the privacy of all parties." Then the ABC board published only one side of the story -- the complainant's side -- on the ABC website in violation of the confidentiality rules of their own executive session. Considering how logical and fair you usually are, I am amazed that you're ready to cast a vote without having seen all the evidence in this case. IMO, that's a very sad comment on how this very volatile situation was handled by the ABC. Virginia Zurfliehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02111069072476240750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6955843581849132610.post-42968955520961409072014-04-14T07:05:09.070-07:002014-04-14T07:05:09.070-07:00If you want to see the evidence for the defense, a...If you want to see the evidence for the defense, ask the defense to provide it to you. They were given the opportunity to make it public and chose not to, but perhaps they will share it privately. <br /><br />As well, they will be given an opportunity to speak on their own behalf at the meeting, before the vote is cast. (They cannot present evidence at that time, however.) <br /><br />It is certainly not unreasonable to want to see all of the evidence, but if this were an actual court of law and the accused chose not to present a defense, the case would not be thrown out. It would be decided on the basis of the evidence that was present. Our Constitution guarantees the right to a trial by a jury of one's peers -- it does not guarantee that the court will present the defendants' case for them, if they choose not to do so. <br /><br />The ABC Bylaws do not allow evidence to be presented at the membership meeting. If this is a problem, then we need to change the Bylaws -- but it will have no effect on this particular vote.Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01698514186799299219noreply@blogger.com